plus, the debt ceiling simply says we're not going to pay our bills. it just is illogical to say that's to pay for that. that's like going out and incurring costs which all of us did, republicans and democrats together, and then saying oh, and by the way, i'm not going to pay my bill unless you do me this enormous favor. but the other point i would make is this. he talks about, we need tax reform. the biggest single abuse in the tax code today, and it's a tough contest, is the one that says the richest people in america who run hedge funds can treat their earned income as if it were a capital gain. they call it carried interest. >> yeah. >> it means the rest of us are carrying them. and we voted to reduce that. and paul ryan boxed it. he is against that. and if you remember from that interview, he did not give a single specific about a tax break he wants to end, and he talked about cutting entitlements. >> he is up front saying no more revenue. i mean, that's their position on that. now, they've backed off the debt limit. now they're backing off a gove